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Post by ChefEd on Jan 11, 2024 23:58:50 GMT
According to a designer comment under rule 7.3.2: boats starting in The Phillipines only use the last 4 patrol zones, then the two transit zones to Australia, on an Evacuation mission.
Are we starting mid-December, and arriving in Fremantle at the end of January, or, only using December, with January for refit, and going out again in February?
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Post by crushedhat on Jan 12, 2024 2:28:15 GMT
I do not see that comment in either my hardcopy or digital copy of the rules, nor in the errata sheet I downloaded. What I have reads: "Special Procedure for 12/41 patrols: Submarines that start 12/41 in the Philippines do not have the first two transit boxes as part of the very first patrol. They start in the first "Philippines' travel box, travel through the final two transit boxes, and then end up in Australia." I believe the reason for skipping the first two transit boxes is because, being in the Philippines with the impending Japanese invasion, you are already in the combat area.
The initial scenario is that, upon receiving news of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Manilla based boats will be immediately sent on patrol to intercept any possible incoming Japanese invasion force. Your first patrol will automatically be "Philippines" and last for DEC/JAN unless circumstances arising during the patrol require it to be cut short.
I had toyed with the idea of interim basing in Java. Commander Asiatic Subs was evacuated from the Philippines on 27 Dec, and then from Tjilatjap, Java on 2 Mar. However, the submarine tender USS Holland left Manila on 10 Dec, arriving in Darwin on 2 Jan. So, while the HQ element was temporarily based in Java, it appears the logistical element went straight from the Philippines to Australia and that is how we will handle it.
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Post by ChefEd on Jan 12, 2024 3:03:39 GMT
I have 2nd Edition, (c) 2019
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Post by crushedhat on Jan 12, 2024 4:39:19 GMT
Mine is 1st Ed (c) 2015. As I previously wrote, I plan on a full Dec/Jan patrol in the Philippines. I wonder what other changes exist? I'm curious, does the 2nd Ed address the policy of rotating commanders out after four or five patrols? Something Eugene Fluckey refers to in his memoir, "Thunder Below," and that I'm toying with incorporating as a House Rule.
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Post by ChefEd on Jan 12, 2024 17:04:34 GMT
Mine is 1st Ed (c) 2015. As I previously wrote, I plan on a full Dec/Jan patrol in the Philippines. I wonder what other changes exist? I'm curious, does the 2nd Ed address the policy of rotating commanders out after four or five patrols? Something Eugene Fluckey refers to in his memoir, "Thunder Below," and that I'm toying with incorporating as a House Rule. I believe the rules do address rotation. Will confirm tonight, after work.
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Post by crushedhat on Jan 12, 2024 17:33:12 GMT
I'll be interested in what you find out. Hope there aren't enough differences between 1st & 2nd Ed that I've got to buy the new version.
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Post by ChefEd on Jan 13, 2024 14:11:17 GMT
I'll be interested in what you find out. Hope there aren't enough differences between 1st & 2nd Ed that I've got to buy the new version. I do not have the 2015 edition, so cannot compare. On Rotations: [2d Edition (c)2019] [11.7] Early Reassignment/ TransferGENERAL RULESubmarine duty was extremely stressful. Like the actual commanders, you may decide that it has become too stressful and transfer out of Submarine duty. [11.7.1] Submarine commanders are not required to continue patrolling until 7/45. They may opt out of command at any time (and some, who felt they had reached a breaking point, did just that) without penalty. Consider such commanders reassigned to a desk job. Their final score is tabulated at that point. What was the USN practice for promoting from within? If a skipper rotates out, does the Exec get a shot, or does COMSUBPAC bring in a new skipper? Other promotions: Rule [11/1/5] states that if an Exec is rated Expert roll a 1d6 at the end of each patrol. If the result is 6, he is promoted and given his own command. If the 3rd Officer is an Expert he is promoted to Exec, else a new Exec is assigned. Does the 2015 edition have the optional rule for [14.9] Limited Escorts?
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Post by crushedhat on Jan 13, 2024 18:13:24 GMT
There is a Limited Escorts rule 14.9 in the 2015 Ed. As to the commander rotation issue, according to Fluckey's account it wasn't optional. He writes about finagling one additional patrol before being rotated out. The problem I've been having is I can't find any reference to this policy on the web, nor does Fluckey state when it went into effect, though it was clearly in place during his time in command. My understanding is that ithe policy was implemented by the mediacl people because of the stresses mentioned in the rule you cite.
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Post by crushedhat on Jan 13, 2024 18:17:54 GMT
1sr Ed also has Rule 11.7. Again, that rule makes it optional whereas my understanding is that at some point it was mandatory. Interestingly enough, if you have the historical commander cards, they only seem to have about five missions each. Albeit, some didn't return from that last mission and for others the war ended before they would go out again.
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